Dugin: Who is Satan?

Peter Vlasov: Can what you call Satanism be considered an ideological construct or is it just a principle of denial, of destruction?

Alexander Dugin: We should not start from Satanism, but from Satan, from the figure that is called by this name, if we are believing people, then for us it is an ontological fact. And for non-believing people, Satanism is meaningless.

Who is Satan, Lucifer the Black? He is an angel, that is, the eternal celestial mind. He is the first, supreme creation of God who rebelled against God. This is the origin of all attacks on God, of materialism, of atheism, of the idea that men without God can build a better world. We see this principle in humanism, in the development of modern science and in the social doctrine of progress. Satan is not just destruction or entropy, but a conscious will to destroy. It is rebellion, destruction of unity in the name of the triumph of multiplicity. It is not just a weakening of the divine order, but the will to break it. When the body is weakened, it is one thing, but when there is a force, such as cancer or other natural diseases, that leads the body to decay, it is another thing. Satan is the mind, the will to decay, not just the decay itself, which is already a consequence. In a way it is a creed, a religion, an anti-church. It is the 'black church' embodied in modern Western culture, in science, in education, in politics. Here we see not only decadence, but the unwillingness to build order, hierarchy, to raise the principles of science, mind, thought, culture to the highest unity, as in traditional civilisation, to the hierarchical beginning - because the earthly hierarchy imitates the angelic rank. In addition to this refusal to do good, there is also the will to do something directly opposite, to do evil. When we look at the Ukrainians, at Biden, at Soros, at Macron, we see an active and aggressive will to destruction. Satanism necessarily presupposes a conscious strategy and a deliberate impulse that generates a vigorous movement of human masses. The masses can destroy traditional culture with their stupidity, passivity, inertia - this is a property of the mass as such, but someone pushes this mass in a destructive direction, someone directs it, orients it. It is here that the principle of the subject as opposed to God (as well as man in his highest meaning) appears. It is in all religions: we are talking about this conscious will of the subject to build an anti-God, inverted civilisation. 

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Dugin: Satanism is putting matter before spirit

- Alexander Dugin, we increasingly hear the leaders of our country define modern western civilisation with the word 'Satanism'. What do you think is meant by this?

- The statement that the West is a 'satanic civilisation' was uttered by the President in his keynote speech during the admission of new subjects to the Russian Federation. We should take it seriously and try to understand what is behind this formulation, especially since it was then repeated by many of our senior political and public figures. It seems to me that this is a very serious and profound statement.

After the start of the Special Military Operation, we began to realise more and more clearly that there was something wrong with the West. That modern Western civilisation had lost its way, or strayed from the path it was on when we accepted it, embraced it, imitated it, or, even more likely, that something had been wrong with it for a long time. A civilisation that we admire, in which we try to integrate, whose values and rules we share and embrace with all our soul, cannot suddenly turn out to be satanic? In parallel, we see the question of values being raised at various levels in our state. Let us begin by repeating: let us defend our values. A year ago, the President adopted a decree on the defence of traditional values, including the superiority of spirit over matter. This is absolutely extraordinary! The traditional values of Russia are recognised as, if you like, idealism, religiosity, the dominance of the spirit. And of course, if we begin to realise ourselves - not yet with certainty, but more and more - as the bearers of traditional values, then it is precisely in the face of these traditional values, which we are just beginning to discover in ourselves, which we are just beginning to understand, to comprehend and to defend, in the face of these values, of course, Western values seem like pure Satanism. They are the exact opposite. They are based on the idea that matter is more primary than spirit, that man is simply a biosocial being who is a cognitive reflection of the outside world. The West perceives man as an evolved animal, who has reached his final stage to pass the initiative to a post-human species, to transhumanist constructs, to cyborgs, to artificial intelligence. And the preparation, the warm-up phase for this is the politics of gender, when people change sex at will - even at their whim - and will soon change species - choosing between being a man, a machine or an animal, which is already being seriously discussed at the highest levels by Western figures.

Having discovered that the West is something monstrous and breaking away from the human species before our eyes, Russia has turned away from it. A local problem, the conflict with Ukraine, has suddenly led us to a fundamental conclusion: the West is going in the wrong direction, dragging humanity into the abyss, and we must confront it. This is the most important news, something absolutely incredible, because before we had modestly limited ourselves to the struggle for sovereignty.

And here the concept of 'Satanism' takes on a very serious meaning for the first time. It is not just a fringe occult movement, there is such Satanism in the West, there is Antoine LaVey's Church of Satan, there is the direct Satanism of the ultra-capitalist writer Ayn Rand (Alice Rosenbaum) - by the way, it was popular among Russian oligarchs and liberals in the 1990s. But all these are, by and large, fringe phenomena, occult sects and theatrical productions. By 'the Satanism of Western civilisation' Putin meant something else, something much deeper. Satanism is the putting of matter before spirit, postmodern relativism, that is, the relativity of all values, including the values of the human being and the spirit. And this is the road that the West took not yesterday, but some 500 years ago, with the beginning of the New Age.

Who is Satan? There is no Satan when there is no God, no faith, no religion. This term remains in a vacuum, if for us the terms 'God', 'faith', 'eternity', 'immortality', 'resurrection of the dead', 'universal judgement', 'salvation of the soul'... are equally empty. If we follow the modern Western scientific picture of the world, then, of course, it is ludicrous to speak of Satanism, for in it there is no God, no devil, no faith, no immortal soul, no post-mortal life, but there is only a fluctuation of biological units, atoms, which come together, split apart and then disappear into the abyss of black dead space. Such a world-image became established in the West about 500 years ago, and is usually called the 'scientific world-image'. It was accompanied by a gradual and complete de-Christianisation of Western culture. Thus, Satan as a phenomenon has disappeared from the 'scientific world picture' along with God. When we seriously say that Western civilisation is Satanic, we draw attention to the fact that this was a hasty, erroneous, premature and, in fact, profoundly wrong conclusion. Wrong was the estrangement from Tradition, from spirit, from God, from religion - from which the Modern Age of Western Europe began. We perceived it uncritically as early as the 18th century, when we were carried away by the European Enlightenment, but until 1917 we somehow maintained the religious character of our society. Then we plunged into the materialist abyss, and after the collapse of the USSR we descended even deeper into this abyss, into an even more unbridled liberal capitalist materialism, and eventually found ourselves on the periphery of western Satanic civilisation, as its province.

In other words, the concept of Satan today, in the course of SMO, the war with the West, takes on a completely different meaning in our society along with the concept of God. If there is God, if there is faith and the Church, Tradition and traditional values, then it means that there is also the antithesis of God, there is he who has rebelled against God. And then the history of the West, the history of so-called progress, the age of modernity of the last 500 years opens up in a completely new light. It turns out that the West has rejected God, has said: there is neither God nor the devil, and the devil, as if after some time, objects: there is no God, but there is me, because I am the one who told you that there is no God.

Excerpt: from Alexander Dugin: "Satanism is putting matter before spirit"

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